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In my time in K-troop, we had both. We used the old 151 jeeps with hard-tops, and also the Hummers.

I remember when we were learning about the Hummers, Sgt Dean (motor Sgt-Cool guy) took us out to the LTA to learn how to drive the Hummers. We found a "little" mudpuddle, and of course, we sunk the thing in it up to the mirrors! That was a nasty surprise. We didnt think that little mudpuddle was that deep. But overall, I found the Hummer to be an excellent vehicle. It worked best with chains in the mountains in winter-time. But it was still good.

The old 151s were really showing thier age by the late 1980s, but they were sturdy little things. I found that we could drive between trees in the 151 where the Hummer would have gotten wedged in tight. The 151s always ground the gears going from 2nd to third, and they used a lot of grease. They would roll over easily, as some of our guys found out, but you didnt have to worry about welding the glow plugs by not waiting for the little light.

So, what do you guys think? Which was better for patroling the grenze? Was it the 151...or the Hummer?

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At Camp Gates in 83 to 87 we had the 151a2 for border jeeps,sometimes without doors.the metal roof didn't matter,you still froze your ass off.Your right about 2nd gear,I never had trouble with it since i was used to double clutching from my fathers Farmall super C tractor when i was growing up.If you didn't then you'd have issues.

The 151's were strong as a 72 VW Beetle. As long as you slowed down around a curve you were fine. The gears did grind, and the rear end differential made a lot of noise. Once I had a jeep that the rear end was going out. We had to stop to transmit and listen to the radio. Later that day going up a hill it went out. My APL had to pull me on up and out of the way.  The one thing I never was tickled about was the driver sat on top of the gas tank and the TC rode on top of the batteries.

We never had the Hummer, and I certainly could not see using it compared to the jeep and the places we took that thing.

  Got broke in as a newbie and was assigned to be the CO's driver, Capt Berry learned real fast, the 151 was a great vehicle, also it was the longest serving of all the jeeps, 1960 to the early 90's. Was support sgt in the guard and had the humvee's, two totally differant vehicle's both have the speciality's  which the other can not do.

here's the old man's

and here's the one I just finished this summer, 1972 M151A2 done in Carc tan, driving it does bring back the memories

Some time ago there was a similar question posed. My answer had to do with the width of the vehicles, and busted mirrors & fenders.  While you could nearly pick up a jeep and move it, Hummers are a far superior vehicle (IMHO).  Try rolling one of those babies...

I think the word superior is a little harsh. The jeep was well suited for the job during it's day. The Hummer is a whole new concept and is more advanced but that has nothing to do with how the M551 performed. I have driven through snow that nearly buried us. It fit through those planted pines on the border and if it flipped, two guys could flip it back. Easy to maintain too. If I had to do the same job now as we did back then, I'd take the jeep. In the sand box, the Hummer.

Fair enough Gene.  They both have their pros & cons.

Have a great day
I loved the 151. At Ft. Riley as a Pfc and then Spec. 4 I took on the job as company armorer and drove for the 1st Sgt. Lot of stories with that. Very dependable and never got stuck. Comfortable no. While at the Rock I was tasked one weekend to go and pick up a transfer. Dead of winter. Gave me a CJ5 for the mission. Roads were extremely icy. I was driving around 30 mph on the highway when I had a comrade come flying up behind me. He passed me and made the crazy sign. Looked angry .About 10 minutes later I rounded a curve and there he was in the ditch buried in snow. I made the crazy sign back at him . Just a smiling!

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I was up on the Border when we turned in some of the 151's for the CUCV followed by the HMMWV. We used the CUCV as an interim vehicle. The CUCV was designated the 1009 and was a regular Army reject. It was the beginning of COTS and they were nothing more than stock, stripped down Chevy Blazers. The CUCV was a POS and yet, I still see them from time to time with Army bumper numbers and stencils. 

On Patrols, we still used the 151. When we got a few of the HMMWV's, on Patrols, still used the 151. I have photo's on Patrol and OP's going all the way to late '87, and there is not one HMMWV in them. All 151's. Hard Tops and Soft Tops, no doors. Doors came off permanently, regardless of weather, after the GSR team died, with some exceptions like the coldest winter in Germany in 122 years. Think that was 1986. 

The reason we continued using 151's even though the HMMWV was a far superior vehicle in every way. Is that it was a far superior vehicle everywhere...except on the Border. You could not maneuver a HMMWV through those narrow forrest trees to come up behind a CP or OP. Hiding your HMMWV on an OP was nearly impossible, and CUCV's? Fuggitaboutit. 

The 151 was not replaced with the HMMWV until the very end, when Jake Fryer was 11th ACR Sergeant Major. He was interviewed about it, the Cavalry Regiments and Squadrons did not begin replacing their 151'a with  HMMWV's on the Border until around February, 1989. 

The HMMWV saw very little Cold War Border Duty even though it was fielded in 1984. It wasnt a vehicle that was a fit for the mission. It only saw duty during the last eight months prior to reunification. And very little of that duty. 



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