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Comment by Dave Gettman on June 21, 2018 at 11:39am

Harold, even if you were a cook on a supply ship 11 miles off the shores of South Korea during the war, you would receive a campaign medal. Any service anywhere in a combat zone qualifies, and that would be the entire Korean peninsula and all its territorial waters.

During WW II they had the AMERICAN CAMPAIGN MEDAL that covered pretty much anywhere in the world that wasn't covered by another campaign medal. Here is the criteria:

5–15. American Campaign Medal
a. The American Campaign Medal was established by Executive Order 9265 (WD Bul. 56, 1942), as amended by
Executive Order 9706, 15 March 1946. It is awarded for service within the American Theater between 7 December
1941 and 2 March 1946 under any of the following conditions:
(1) On permanent assignment outside the continental limits of the United States.
(2) Permanently assigned as a member of a crew of a vessel sailing ocean waters for a period of 30 consecutive
days or 60 nonconsecutive days.
(3) Outside the continental limits of the United States in a passenger status or on temporary duty for 30 consecutive
days or 60 nonconsecutive days.
(4) In active combat against the enemy and was awarded a combat decoration or furnished a certificate by the
commanding general of a corps, higher unit, or independent force that the Soldier actually participated in combat.
(5) Within the continental limits of the United States for an aggregate period of 1 year.
b. The boundaries of American Theater are as follows:
(1) The eastern boundary is located from the North Pole, south along the 75th meridian west longitude to the 77th
parallel north latitude, thence southeast through Davis Strait to the intersection of the 40th parallel north latitude and
the 35th meridian west longitude, thence south along the meridian to the 10th parallel north latitude, thence southeast
to the intersection of the Equator and the 20th meridian west longitude, thence south along the 20th meridian west
longitude to the South Pole.
(2) The western boundary is located from the North Pole, south along the 141st meridian west longitude to the east
boundary of Alaska, thence south and southeast along the Alaska boundary to the Pacific Ocean, thence south along the
130th meridian to its intersection with the 30th parallel north latitude, thence southeast to the intersection of the
Equator and the 100th meridian west longitude, thence south to the South Pole.
c. One bronze service star is authorized for wear on the American Campaign Medal to denote participation in the
antisubmarine campaign. The individual must have been assigned or attached to, and present for duty with, a unit
credited with the campaign. Information on the antisubmarine campaign is in appendix B.

Comment by Dave Gettman on June 21, 2018 at 11:22am

WOO-HOO!!!! This has got to be one of my biggest eBay scores yet!!!

Tomorrow I will take possession of a ledger that was started in 1836 and continued until 1899, containing the names and information on every officer that served in the 2d Dragoons/2d Cavalry during that period and what happened to him.

I was authorized by the 2d Cavalry Association to bid for the ledger and they will pay me back for it ($543). Even better, I get to keep it and get all the information out of it. With the museum possibly closing down they want me to keep the ledger until they find out what is happening with the museum.

Comment by Frank L Moseley on June 20, 2018 at 5:23pm

We are ALL Veterans, having served our country. I served from 28 Sep 65 to 14 Dec 71.  Due to the time frame, I am a Vietnam Era or Cold War Vet. (as I did not go to Vietnam) I cannot join VFW, but have joined the American Legion.

Comment by harold goldstein on June 16, 2018 at 1:14pm

Harry, I'm going with Dave's definition. "...if you were awarded a campaign medal then you are a war veteran.  Here is an example....my dad's last deployment before retiring was to Thailand in 1969. This was during the Vietnam War and he was deployed in direct support of combat operations in Vietnam, but he was not in a combat zone and did not earn a campaign medal so he would not qualify as a war veteran for that particular deployment and would not be eligible to join the VFW based solely on that deployment."

Comment by harold goldstein on June 16, 2018 at 9:24am

Ernie, I researched the KWVA and they ARE accepting all Veterans as you said.  Most of all who served from 1950 -55.

That doesn't mean they were in Harms Way.  Then again, we were all in harms way if the Russians wanted to test us more than they did.

So, back to the facts.  If you did not earn a campaign medal you are not a war veteran.  

Dave, what about those in Korea that were in the rear; i.e., payroll, admistration, medics not in the front.

Comment by Dave Gettman on June 16, 2018 at 12:09am

Harold, I served during the Vietnam War but I DIDN'T serve IN Vietnam, so I'm a "Vietnam era Veteran". Also a Cold War veteran. But NOT a Vietnam veteran. Big difference

Pretty much boils down to, if you were awarded a campaign medal then you are a war veteran.

Here is an example....my dad's last deployment before retiring was to Thailand in 1969. This was during the Vietnam War and he was deployed in direct support of combat operations in Vietnam, but he was not in a combat zone and did not earn a campaign medal so he would not qualify as a war veteran for that particular deployment and would not be eligible to join the VFW based solely on that deployment.

Comment by Harry Warner on June 15, 2018 at 7:55pm

The cold war lasted long after the wall came down. I was wrong on both ends.  

Comment by Harry Warner on June 15, 2018 at 7:53pm
Comment by Harry Warner on June 15, 2018 at 7:48pm

Semantics is one of my most favorite words.  

Comment by Harry Warner on June 15, 2018 at 7:03pm

You want confusion? The Korean War is listed as a "conflict." War was never declared. 

 

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