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Comment by Stephen (STEVE-O) Bowen on November 27, 2010 at 1:21pm
My whole time was pretty much a REMF Dog and Pony Show. Our SGM was fanatical about winning the Post Award for Area Beautification,used to go out and measure the grass with a ruler. NCO retention was their other major goal,however giving you extra crap because you want to go to school is NOT the way to go about it."He's not going to re-enlist,let's make his time left miserable"seemed to be their mode of operation. It wasn't just me,it happened to several junior NCO's in my Battalion,including one who was getting out because his Grandfather,Mother and Dad were killed in a Plane Crash,and he was getting out to take care of his little sister! I tried to extend in Germany,but they were just starting this unit up and had no FIST NCO's, so off I went. If I had stayed in the CAV I probably would have stayed in for the full ride.
Comment by James F. Burgos on November 27, 2010 at 9:43am
Steve-O, working in any HQ can give you some power. Ever heard of " Vietnam Levies " ? Once a month, especially in '69, a levy would come down from Washington. It usually was a " want" list of slots that needed to be filled by OUR Squadron for Vietnam replacements. Example : Need 5 TC's, 6 Squad leaders, 4 Mortar crewmen, etc. It was my job to go through my records, find out who was about to PCS, and if they had enough time for a Nam Tour, pick them out. I really HATED to call them into my office and tell them " Sorry, you are NOT going back to the World, You are going directly to the NAM. " The junior NCO's were the worst. You know the NCO grapevine, when something comes down, the NCO's know about it. I would get the " levy " in the Morning and by NOON some NCO's were at my desk begging me to keep them off ! Once, MY NAME came down on the Levy and my Section Sgt. said " Looks like you are going to Nam, Burgos. " I said " no I'm NOT " my Brother is with the 101st in Phu Bai, I am staying right here. " Then we both signed out and went for coffee.
Comment by Stephen (STEVE-O) Bowen on November 26, 2010 at 1:26pm
It's worked fine for over 60 years,so they're going to find a way to screw it up.
I had top much time left to re-up in the CAV,but when I PCS'd to Polk they were on me like white on rice. Our re-enlistment NCO, Spec-5 Dale,called me into his office the day I had 1 year left. I said I was going to get out and go to college. Then it started.
I ended up with CQ on either Fri,Sat or Sun 3 out of the next 4 weekends. And I had to supervise remedial PT with everyone who missed morning PT or who fell out. Wouldn't change my mind. Made me NCOIC of the "Area Beautification Truck"-roadside trash pickup for 2 weeks. I kept a chart of CQ duties, I pulled almost double of any other NCO. Still didn't change my mind,just made me more determined to get the hell out. I also think part of it stemmed from my refusal to go to 1SG's Call, going to the NCO Club after last Formation on Friday and drinking beer with the rest of the REMF's. But Spec-5 Dale was there! That's how he got his air-conditioned office in Battery HQ.where he wore his starched BDU's,trying to convince me to stay in.
Comment by James F. Burgos on November 26, 2010 at 1:21pm
Dave, this ought to make you laugh ! Did you ever see a bunch of clerks set up a FIFTY ? We had to do it whenever there was an alert ! Set up an M-2 on the office floor ! Tripod and all. Talk about a Cluster F--K !
Comment by Dave Gettman on November 26, 2010 at 11:30am
On another note, this ought to piss off a lot of you guys.....

....I read this morning where the Army is going to redesign the Ma Deuce, cutting the weight in half!!!!

Now these young shits will never understand all our pissing and moaning about humping that heavy SOB during alerts!!!!
Comment by Dave Gettman on November 26, 2010 at 11:25am
It was my own fault.

As far as my re-up speech from Top Miller, it went something like:

"Gettman, am I wasting my breath here?"

"Yes, First Sergeant."

"Dismissed."
Comment by James F. Burgos on November 26, 2010 at 11:02am
Dave, that is SO like the Army ! Treat you worse that a Trainee, did they ? Did they then ask you to RE-UP ?? When I was at Ft. Dix to separate , my group were ALL NCO's and Spec. 5's were the bottom guys. There were about 30 of us, from E 5 up to E 8. All in our dress greens ! They kept us out in a New Jersey rain storm for about 30 minutes, moved us into an auditorium, and then asked us to RE-UP ! That was SO Army ! I thought the Pot smoking grunts in Nam were screwed up !
Comment by Dave Gettman on November 26, 2010 at 10:07am
That was my last job in the Army....cleaning the soot out of the diesel stoves at Camp Pitman. I had "missed" my plane home and when my ETS date came and went I got moved out of the barracks into a little two man room attached to our little PX there. I pulled CQ during the night and cleaned stoves during the day for the next month until I got new orders to go home.
Comment by James F. Burgos on November 26, 2010 at 9:57am
The diesel heaters in the tents were lot 'o fun too. If they went out during the night , you woke up covered in soot.
Comment by Dave Gettman on November 25, 2010 at 3:41pm
Thanks Andrew.

Our heaters were diesel fueled. Also had to keep the hatches open when running the heater, but they said it was in case of fire we could get out quicker. Usually closed the driver's hatch (heater was in the driver's compartment) to redirect the heat into the turret, then opened the turret hatches and threw ponchos over them to trap the heat (and fumes).
 

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