Dragoon Base

Connecting the Troopers of Today with the Veterans of Yesterday.

No Place for Anonymity

Dragoon Base has become for me an important link to a group of wonderful men and women who have served their Country in the Second Armored Calvary – the same unit I was in during the Vietnam War. The time, effort and energy that goes into designing and maintaining this site is a credit to all those involved. It is educational, informative and entertaining as we all reveal ourselves in a multitude of creative ways.

It is in this revelation that we open up our lives, our hopes, dreams and our ideas to one another in a caring and generous way. We may not agree with one and others' convictions but for the most part we respect each other as brothers and sisters should do.

But brothers and sisters don't and should not hide from each other behind a facade of initials or an acronyms. If this is allowed then anyone could join this site under who knows what pretense. If we are going to open up to each other and reach out let me know who you are or at the very least what your name is. I do not think this is asking too much. It should be required to join this group.

It is stated that this network is open to all that have “served” and I realize that this could be open to interpretation. I believe that spouse, mother, father, sister or brother of a deceased or disabled Second Armored Calvary Vet should be able to use this site but at the same time it should necessary to reveal these particulars to the officers of Dragoon Base.

I have to admit that I am no “military man” and have never pretended to be and therefore there is much I do not understand. But my heart goes out to families, loved ones and soldiers who have experienced the horrors of war. I see the faces of all people who have suffered and I ask myself – Why?

Let us not hide from one another in mistrust but sincerely communicate in a productive and meaningful way. I am always open to criticism and opinion but let it come from someone I know – tell me your name.

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Comment by Mike Cohen on March 24, 2013 at 1:33pm

I know this thread is over a year old, but there is one way to look at this. I joined this site recently for to reasons.

1. To locate  brothers that I served with during my years at 2/2 ACR (I have found 4 to this point), a very important time in my life, being it on the Grenze, or Desert Storm.

2. To share stories with Cav Brothers, past and present, as I am interested in events and protocol before and after my time in Bamberg.

That being said, anonymity should not be allowed for any reason. Not only does it negate the validity of the member, it creates doubt as to the integrity of that members' posts. We are all grown Men and Women here, and this site was brought to us by good people and Comrades in Arms. I say, Own up, or Stand Down.

That's my 2 cents. Toujours Pret!

Comment by John G Boyd on January 13, 2012 at 5:51pm

Robert Lavoie

I finally finded your blog. The writing is exemplary; are your SURE that You wrote it.

jus kiddin'

But point well taken, I think that both you and I are much more freerer with our private thoughts on this site than we may be on something requiring less of a brotherhood. Robert, I knew you only a few months back in the day, but the days were longer then. They were more meaningful to us all and we bared our own souls to one another. We dedicated ourselves one to another to share out private time and personal moments with. We shared special times together and then, there were forever lasting.

But like RC Johnson who informed me in private conversation just how short a time that we were best buds, and I think of the short time that you spent in I troop, it may seem like an insignificant time.

But it was not. It was a special coming of age time for me, it was a time of great upheaval in American and the World society and it was a time of war and also a time for peace, song, poetry and love.

I do not know which was more special to me, was it you - or was it the idea of you. I always treated you as a celebrity, and thought of you the same as I do now. You made CAV history in HQ Trp. and you were a good friend in I troop. RC Johnson, the same if not quite so overtly "famous."

But it is impossible to erase from my soul those indelible images from the past which I expect us all to live up to now.

I am not disappointed in you, RC, anyone. Maybe sometimes for myself for my lack of talent, personal wealth and sometimes my dense thinking.

But I agree with you sentiment Brother.

As always,

Tojours Pret

John Boyd 

Comment by Harry Warner on January 3, 2012 at 10:27am

Gene,

You decide, we'll abide.

Comment by Robert M. Lavoie on January 3, 2012 at 8:48am

I want to thank everyone who responded to my blog, especially those who Emailed me personally. You have all given me a different perspective with your valuable opinions. You see Harry, opinions are like butts only when they come from butt-heads. There are no butt-heads here as all the responses gave me a lot to think about especially about myself.

Yes Harry and Jesse there are the rules and they play an important part in how we live our lives. Every one should play by them as they are in the interest of the group. In this group we all want to know each other as trust is a pivotal factor in effective and honest communication. I have never met most of the men here but I trust everyone I have communicated with on this site.

On a personal level, I am a bit of a reactionary and maybe I didn't like what that “new” and anonymous person had to say. I also tend to take things personally – I figured if he/she was going to be what I though was offensive than you better identify yourself. Opinions don't always get in the way but personalities do.

The reasons exceptions were made in the past, regarding the rules in question, was probably because of good reasons – ones mental/physical health for example. I have always preached compassion and you good men made me reexamine my conscious. Maybe with time, humor and compassion we will know who wishes to remain anonymous. Does time heal all wounds – only time will tell.

I am not an administrator here but I trust the decisions of those that are and I have never appreciated my military service as much as I do today.

Comment by Harry Warner on January 3, 2012 at 8:00am

Now, here's two cents from the peanut gallery.

It seems to me the point of all this should not be about opinions.  It should be about the rules and policy of this site.  If there are rules in place for this issue, then follow them.  What applies to one, applies to all. 

Bob L. asked me my opinion on the matter and I gave it to him. He has my permission to publish it if he so desires.  But, again, I say that this should be about rules and policy.  If they are not followed, the result is evident. 

I borrow the phrase: Opinions are like butts, everybody has one and they all stink. 

Comment by Jesse Kelley on January 3, 2012 at 1:42am

Here is my opinion, when Robb and I first started this, we agreed it would be a real name site.
Those that joined with a single name, If you will look I wrote each and everyone to state the rules,
none complied. [George, Webtramp]
Patrick wrote me and said he had problems, and he is the first one that I allowed, and has since then updated.
Tacoma Dave wrote me and asked about LLB, so she is the only other one that I have allowed.
My thought on the matter is the same as Mr Lavoie, we all need to be honest here.
Which is what we need to be asking of our Government. I mean if you can not be honest with your wife,
how can you be honest with us, We the People.

Comment by Dave Gettman on January 2, 2012 at 1:54pm

We currently have 16 members (1 out of every 100) that do not have names listed, including members #2 and #3 behind our founder Robb Russell. They are listed as "George" and "Webtramper". Nobody has ever had a problem with them.

While we do strongly urge full names here, it has never been reason for dismissal on its own. Good conduct while dealing with fellow members, support of the 2d Cavalry, and a somewhat civil tongue are main attributes to remaining a member of Dragoon Base.

It has also never been a requirement that you served in the Regiment. Anyone who supports the 2d Cavalry is welcome here. Take for example our Belgian friends from the Remembrance group. They are among our biggest supporters and not one of them has ever served in the 2d Cavalry, though you wouldn't know it from looking at them when they dress the part to show their support. Believe it or not, those pictured here are all Belgian friends of ours and some of them Dragoon Base members.....

Before allowing LLB to join using just her initials (after months of urging from me to apply for membership), I cleared it with the other administrators of this site, including Robb, Jesse, and Gene.

I've seen LLB berated often about her style of messages, broken and hard to read, much like I watched members on the old Dragoon Base berate a member about his typing, calling him a drunk and much worse, up until the former squadron commander and Silver Star recipient died from a terrible disease that was destroying his body and brain.

Just some food for thought, gentlemen.

Comment by Robert M. Lavoie on January 2, 2012 at 12:23pm

Thanks Carl

So what can be done about it?  Complain to the admins I guess - that's what I am doing now.

Comment by carl kreitzer on January 2, 2012 at 12:20pm

Robert,Tom,I've been on here since DAY 1,came over from the 'OLD" site.Tom,you are correct,it's always been FIRST and LAST names.

Comment by Robert M. Lavoie on January 2, 2012 at 11:58am

Looks like it has Tom and I don't like it.  If it is a new policy I'm out of here.

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